Episode 407 – Rolling Smooth With Timken

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“Do you even lift, Bro? Well, whether you lift or not, chances are, if you are listening right now, you probably drive a Wrangler or know someone who does. When it comes to jacking up your Jeep, there are several things you need to take into consideration depending on your personal usage, budget, and even desired tire size. To help make lifting your Wrangler as easy-peesey as possible, the writers at ExtremeTerrain have compiled their definitive guide to Jeep Wrangler lift kits—AND ITS JACKED!

Nexen tire has been around for 77 years.  Nexen has made passenger and SUV tires along with street performance for many years, and most recently have started making off road tires. The Nexen Roadian MTX is an amazing long lasting off road tire with it’s all around fantastic performance in mud or rocks.  Find out more about Nexen tires by going to nexen tire u s a dot com right now.  That’s http://nexentireusa.com/

This Week In Jeep:

By The Skin of His Teeth

Ok, Imagine this…. You are Trooper Ruben Correa, who has been with the Utah Highway Patrol for two years, and you’re responding to a routine traffic stop when you get a call from dispatch about a vehicle on train tracks not far from your current location.  Sounds like a lead up to a scene straight out of a TV cop drama, right? In fact, it actually happened earlier this week. Correa immediately left the traffic stop and began to drive down the freeway using his spotlight to search for the vehicle that he had just gotten word of. It didn’t take long to find the vehicle in question, a 4 door Jeep Wrangler, down an embankment, sitting across the railroad tracks. The driver of the Jeep, a man in his 20s, was unconscious, and a medical issue had caused him to drive off the nearby highway and onto the tracks. The trooper ended up arriving just in the nick of time. As soon as he exited his vehicle, he heard the train. It took 35 seconds from when Trooper Correa got out of his patrol car, to when the train hit the stranded Jeep, said Sgt. Nick Street, the spokesman for the Utah Highway Patrol. “At that point, I actually wasn’t really thinking,” Correa said. “I was just doing my job.” Due to the quick actions of the officer, the man was pulled from his Jeep with literally just seconds, and by meer feet to spare, before the train collided with the Wrangler. The trooper and the driver were still just feet away on the embankment when the train came through. The Utah Highway Patrol called Correa’s actions “incredible and heroic.”  After being rescued, the driver was checked out by medical personnel is doing well according to reports. The exact nature of the medical condition has not yet been released. 

Current Jeep Owners Now Eligible For Loyalty Discount On Gladiator

Incentives are once again reducing the price of the Jeep Gladiator for some buyers. But not all. The latest enticement is a loyalty bonus for existing Jeep owners that slices $1,000 right off the top of the pickup’s price. If you are eligible, you will receive an actual coupon for the offer either electronically or in the mail. Unlike the last deal that came down the pike, which was just a lease by the way, this is a little more attractive.  The last offer you could get a Gladiator for as little as $143 a month for 24 months but you were limited to just 10,000 miles per year. Yea, no thanks. I’d like to DRIVE my new Jeep and not just keep it chained up in the garage. Those offers ended in September anyways and were here and gone before you knew it. This one has a little more time behind it. The incentive runs through January 2, so if you’re still on the fence about owning a new Gladiator, there’s no rush. This new deal almost sounds too good to be true, and some of you might be wondering “what the catch is.”  If there is a downside to this offer, it’s that it excludes the top of the line Rubicon trim. But, someone could still apply the discount to the Sport, Sport S, or even Overland trims, though, so it’s not all bad. Online reports show that dealers are rarely stocking base variants with few options anyways, so the chances are good that you can save on a Gladiator that suits your needs and wants. The average asking price for a new Gladiator is around $40,000 so any discount at all (I think) can be appreciated. IF you end up getting one of these coupons, we want to see it! Be sure to send us a pic, or post on our facebook page.

Wrangler Talk:

Sleeving Your Axle Tube

Hello JTS Listener on this week’s Wrangler Talk we are going to be covering sleeving your axle tubes. So first let’s talk about what sleeving your axle is. Sleeving your axle tube is the process of plug welding or pressing in another metal tube into your axle tube doubling the thickness of your axle tube. From the factory a Dana 30 and Dana 44 come with two and half inch axle tubes with a tube thickness of a quarter inch and well yes that might be a good strong choice when you are driving to the mall. Although when you starting to hit the trails and rock climbing your axles start to take a bit more abuse especially when you have larger tires on your rig. Remember Jeep designed the Jeep Wrangler with the mindset that this jeep will have 29-31-inch tires on it for its lifetime and it will not need a stronger axle. So, when we start making modification to our jeeps by putting a lift and tires on your jeep we are increasing the overall weight the axles must support. After we start increasing the amount of weight they must support the overall abuse the axle must endure increases as well and the weakest link of these two different axles are the axle tubes. One of the most common axle failure is getting a bend in one of the axle tubes or cracking the tube itself. So one of the ways to increase the strength of your axle tube is by sleeving the axle tubes and there are two different styles of axle tube sleeves, the weld in sleeve and there is the press fit sleeve. In my experience the weld in sleeves are much easier to work with and install. However, both types of sleeve serve the same purpose. So let’s talk about the actual process of sleeving your axle tubes and I want to say sleeving your axle tubes is not for the faint of heart. For both processes you have to disassemble each side of the front axle and pull your axle shafts out. With your axle shafts removed you can start the sleeving of the axle tubes and this is where the processes split. So, for the weld in kind this process might take a bit longer however, working with the weld in sleeves are much easier to work with. The reason why weld in sleeves are easier to work with is because they are machined down so they will slide freely in and out of the axle tube. So, to start the process of welding in your sleeves you are going to have to drill a set number of holes in your axle tubes, normally you have to drill 6 evenly spaced holes on the shorter side of the axle assembly and 10 holes on the larger side of the axle at least that is what it what was when I sleeved my axle tubes. Yes, this is why I said sleeving your axle tubes is not for the faint of heart. These holes that you will be drilling will provide the spots at which you will be plug welding your axle tube to the sleeve making it all one unit. So, after prepping your welding surfaces and cleaning out your axle tubes you will make all your plug welds and reassemble your axle. Now when it comes to press in sleeves, they can be a bit tricky. Press in sleeves are machined down as well however they are machined to an exact fit for the axle tube and requires a bit of force to insert them into the axle tubes. So, when pressing these axle sleeve into the tubes there is possibility that they might get stuck at a certain point in the tube and this creates a much larger problem, and this is why I prefer having weld in sleeves. Sleeving your axle tubes is a great and non-expensive way to increase the strength of your axle and ensure your axle can take the abuse you will be throwing at it when offroad. I have done the process of welding in sleeves and I would recommend doing it because of the peace of mind and strength that it adds to your Jeep. Well this concludes this week Wrangler talk on sleeving your axle tubes. Did I get something wrong or did I miss something? Or is there something you would like to hear about on the Wrangler Talk. Well go to our contact page at JeepTalkShow.com/contact and send us an email or leave us a voice message and we would be happy to answer any of your questions and Remember JTS listener stay tuned to next week where we will be covering upgrading your brakes for larger tires. Thank you for listening and talk to you next week.

Interview with:

Michael Gromosiak – Application Engineering – Timken (https://timken.com)

Mike is Chief Engineer – Mobile On-Highway – for the Timken Company, a world leading manufacturer of bearings and mechanical power transmission products.

In 1996 Mike started his Timken career as an Application Engineer focused on chassis and wheel end products for the North American light truck market.  His Engineering Team works on many light truck and SUV platforms in North America including the Jeep Wrangler and Jeep Truck. Mike has been an active member of the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) for 23 years serving as chairman of the Akron / Canton section of SAE from 2002 through 2004.

Most recently Mike has lectured at several key industry conferences focused on next generation automotive technologies for both axle and chassis products. Mike is extremely excited to visit the Jeep Talk Show Podcast and share Timken’s engagement with the Jeep Brand.  Don’t miss out on Timken’s give away!  Listen to this episode for details.

Tech Talk With Jeep Talk:

Repairing A Broken Rear Defrost

I have seen it a hundred times. A hard top Wrangler rolling down the street, windows all fogged up from a leaky freedom top, and the rear window has about a three stripes of clear glass on it, the rest – completely fogged up. Hell I’ve owned a vehicle or two over the years where the rear defrost only had a few lines of working defrost-ability, or it plain didn’t work at all. Sometimes the problem is more serious, like a relay or a broken wire somewhere. But, more often times than not, it’s simply a broken or burnt out trace in the glass. What I’m referring to are those little goldish brownish orangish colored lines that cross the back window. Just about every vehicle on the planet that has a reea window has these. They often consist of parallel linear resistive conductors in or on the glass. When power is applied, these conductors heat up, thawing ice and evaporating condensation from the glass. These conductors may be composed of a silver-ceramic material printed and baked onto the interior surface of the glass, or may be a series of very fine wires embedded within the glass. If you have the kind that is embedded within the glass, unfortunately, the window will need to be replaced, as there is no way to service this kind of rear defroster. The surface-printed variety is prone to damage by abrasion, you can actually feel the conductors if you run your fingernail up the inside of the rear window. If you have the surface mounted kind of rear defroster, it can be repaired easily with a conductive paint material. Repair kits for this very task can be found at virtually any and every parts store across the land. My favorite is the Permatex Quick Grid Repair Kit. These go for about $10 to $15, and have everything you need to repair that broken conductor trace on your rear window. The process involves cleaning the window, masking off the area you want to work on , and secure the included template in just the right position over the broken trace. Then you simply paint on a new conductive line where the old one was broken. If you take care in the prep work, and follow the instructions, you’ll be defrosting that whole window again in no time.

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Nicky G:

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Jeep Weather:

Hey Jeeper, its Mitch and it’s time for your weekend Going Topless-Jeep Weather Report.  Let’s start by Going Topless in Rutland, Vermont. Rutland is out by Green Mountain National Forest. There it will be cloudy and 48 on Friday, 52 for Saturday and 57 for Sunday. There isn’t a rule saying you can’t be topless and run your heater.  Keep your heater on and Go Topless in Yellowstone National Forest, Wyoming. There it will be snowing this weekend with 32 on Friday and Saturday and 28 on Sunday. Just a note: I’m of Scottish decent so ditching underwear and wearing wool clothes in the snow sounds fun!   Alright, so you aren’t quite ready for winter like me, then Go Topless in Corpus Christi, Texas. It will be sunny on Friday of 84 and Saturday of 92, on Sunday it will be partly cloudy and 88 degrees.  If you are looking for perfect weather to work on your winter tan, make someone’s day and Go Topless in Joshua Tree National Park, California. Out here it will be consistent and sunny all weekend: 81 for Friday, 84 Saturday, and 81 on Sunday.  If you have any suggestions or want to know YOUR local weather in an upcoming episode. Just reach out to me at JeepTalkShow.com slash contact. It’s always great weekend to Go Topless if you’re brave enough! Just Go Topless responsibly.

Wheeling Where:

Trucks Gone Wild
November 7-10
Redneck Mud Park – Punta Gorda, Florida
More Info: https://trucksgonewild.com/

The Worldwide Leader in Off Road Entertainment. Mud Bogging, Mega Trucks, ATVs, UTVs and The Biggest Parties in the Mud

SEMA Show (Specialty Equipment Markets Assoc.)
November 5th – 8th
Las Vegas, Nevada
More Info: https://www.semashow.com/

Links Mentioned in Episode 407
Extreme Terrain Scholorships: https://www.extremeterrain.com/scholarships.html

Episode 406 – American Expedition Vehicles is Here!

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Whether you are upgrading your Jeep’s suspension, swapping axles, changing trannies or modifying your transfer case, one component of your Jeep almost always demands attention—the driveshaft. It’s the critical link in your drive line, and a sensitive one at that. A little off here, a little off there, and if you’re not careful, you could find yourself in big trouble somewhere you can least afford it.  This is why you should put your trust in the biggest name in drive shafts, Tom Woods. Just go to 4XShaft.com find out more, that’s 4XShaft.com

“Do you even lift, Bro? Well, whether you lift or not, chances are, if you are listening right now, you probably drive a Wrangler or know someone who does. When it comes to jacking up your Jeep, there are several things you need to take into consideration depending on your personal usage, budget, and even desired tire size. To help make lifting your Wrangler as easy-peesey as possible, the writers at ExtremeTerrain have compiled their definitive guide to Jeep Wrangler lift kits—AND ITS JACKED!

Nexen tire has been around for 77 years.  Nexen has made passenger and SUV tires along with street performance for many years, and most recently have started making off road tires. The Nexen Roadian MTX is an amazing long lasting off road tire with it’s all around fantastic performance in mud or rocks.  Find out more about Nexen tires by going to nexen tire u s a dot com right now.  That’s http://nexentireusa.com/

This Week In Jeep:

Back From The Dead

Hurricane Dorian was the most intense tropical cyclone on record to strike the Bahamas, and is regarded as the worst natural disaster in the country’s history. From that storm came many stories of harrowing disaster, and a massive cry for humanitarian support for those affected. Then there was that iconic picture framing the epitome of lack of common sense. You know the one…where someone thought it would be a good idea to park their grand cherokee on the wet sand during a hurricane to do some “storm watching.” The pictures went viral, as did countless videos of random people climbing up on  the roof during its last moments for a quick selfie and a claim to fame being photographed with the ill fated Jeep. Many were in an uproar as authorities had no plans to risk themselves or their equipment to try and recover the vehicle during Dorians landfall, essentially sealing the Jeeps fate. Oddly enough the person who drove that Jeep out onto the beach during a hurricane WASN’T the owner. I’m personally glad to hear a Jeep owner wasn’t actually that stupid. It turns out that the actual owners of the Jeep loaned it to a cousin because the weather had turned too dangerous for him to ride his motorcycle. This ever so brilliant cousin drove the vehicle onto the beach to get video of the sunrise over the crashing waves. The Jeep obviously got stuck, and no towing service in their right mind was willing to remove it as Dorian approached Myrtle Beach. The then doomed Jeep quickly  became a TV and social media sensation, and one man even serenaded the Jeep with ‘Amazing Grace’ on bagpipes. The Jeep surprisingly enough, did NOT get washed out to sea, and WAS (believe it or not) eventually recovered after Dorian passed. It is of course a complete and total loss. And even though the owners wanted to buy it back from the insurance company, the company refused stating the Jeep was too much of a health risk to ever be occupied by humans again for any length of time. That hasn’t stopped the owners from capitalizing on the Jeeps fame however. They explained to the insurance company the role the Jeep played in the hurricane coverage and that their goal was to help the Bahamas through the Jeep’s popularity. So the company gave the couple a year’s grace period to use it just for that. The red Jeep (now dry and set up for display purposes) will appear at the Pennzoil AutoFair at Charlotte Motor Speedway next week,  Its owners are using the Jeep to raise money for Dorian victims in the Bahamas through a GoFundMe account, with all donations going to UNICEF.

If you talk by using emojis, you’re vocabulary (thankfully for the rest of us) just got smaller. 

If you’ve listened to the show for any length of time, you’ve undoubtedly heard me touting just how much I have gone out of my way to ensure that I or anyone in my family never own a single Apple device. As a former DJ I have a laundry list of reasons that I used to avoid their products like the plague. That being said I couldn’t be happier for all those who DO have apple devices and use them and our iOS app to download and listen to the show. Just know that it would probably be easier and sound better on an Android device instead. But I digress. This week, Apple did something that on the surface may have a lot of people in the Jeep world upset. Especially those who can’t form proper sentence syntax without using smiley faces, egg plants, and finger gestures. But I for one, as well as the entire Jeep corporation couldn’t be happier.  In its latest iOS update, Apple has removed “Jeep” from the list of words that generate an emoji that looks like a small, blue utility vehicle. In other words, Apple clearly has no idea what a Jeep looks like, (I mean it’s not like Jeep more or less has used the same overall vehicle shape for over 75 YEARS OR ANYTHING!) And in Apple;s infinite wisdom authorised what looks to be a super accurate representation of Fiats smallest vehicle or a SMART car to represent the iconic offroader. Jeep is known for relentlessly protecting its trademark, because the name is often used as a generic term for an off-road vehicle by people who are too ignorant and lazy to learn how to speak using proper terminology. Its interesting to know that there is literally not a single other automaker’s name who launches a car related emoji, but it does show up as a selection when you type car, SUV or automobile into a message. So why did Jeep get picked over say Lamborghini or Ferrari? But while Jeep is making the incredibly smart move to distance itself from stupid immature and overly generic emoji associations, Ford has decided to go all in earlier this year, and submitted a pickup emoji that it designed to the Unicode Consortium, which doesn’t currently recognize one and has made no indication it ever plans to. Smooth move ford. 

Wrangler Talk:

Hello JTS listeners on this week’s Wrangler talk we are going to cover Lockers and the different types of lockers on the market. So first off, most jeeps, unless you have a Rubicon, do not have lockers in them from the factory, this is what we call having open differentials. Meaning that one tire is free to move at a different speed then the tire on the opposite side of the axle which is very important when having your jeep just as a daily driver mostly driving around on dry pavement where there is a lot of traction. This type of open differential is mostly important for making turns because when you are making a turn around a corner or something the inside wheel will spin a slower rate than the outside wheel which could be problematic if you had a locker. So a lockers is a mechanical mechanism in the differential that when engaged or “Locked” links the two wheels on each side on one common shaft. Meaning that when the locker is engaged both tires must rotate at the same speed regardless the amount of traction that each tire has. So as you can see this would be very beneficial when you are off road and there is limited traction on some of your wheels or if one wheel is not touching the ground any longer. So as we can see that lockers are very useful in off road conditions there are a couple of different styles of lockers on the market. The two most common lockers that I see being used in the off-road community is the Eaton E-locker and the ARB Air locker. The Eaton E-locker come stock on all Rubicons and is a tried and true proven reliable locker. They are electronically actuated by providing a 12V power source to a solenoid engaging and disengaging the locking mechanism located inside the differential. The main benefit of having an Eaton E-locker is that you don’t have to worry much about external components failing when out on the trails, the systems only comprised of a switch and the locker itself. Secondly the other most common locker is the ARB Air locker, which uses compressed air to actuate the locking mechanism in the differential. ARB lockers are some of the strongest lockers on the market and has one of the best reputations too. However, there is a down fall to air lockers and that is if you spring a leak in one of your air lines or inside the differential housing the locker will not engage and return to being an open differential. Although ARB lockers do require more components because they are actuated with compressed air so when getting ARB lockers, you also need to install an onboard air compressor and some other components to supply the air to the differential housings. Although one other benefit of having air lockers on your rig you will also be able to use that air compressor for compressed air out on the trails and depending on the rating of the compressor you might be even able to run air tools from it. So finally, the last type of locker on the market is a mechanical actuated locker that is cable driven. The most common mechanical locker is the OX locker. The main benefit of having a mechanical locker is well that it is mechanical, you don’t have to worry about supplying it with any electricity or air to engage and disengage it. Secondly if for some reason the cable breaks OX does provide a plug or pin system that you can use to engage the lockers all the time or fully disengage it when you get off the trails. So with all the different types of lockers on the market there really isn’t a locker that completely surpasses all the others. They each work in their own way but they all serve the same purpose of connecting both tires on some solid axle forcing both wheels to spin as the same speed. This concludes this week’s wrangler talk and remember if you have any more question feel free to contact us at jeep talk show dot com slash contact and we will be happy to answer any more question and please stay tune for next week wrangler talk where we will be covering sleeving your axle tubes and the process behind it, thank you for listening and talk to you next week.

Jeep Life:

Jeep Momma Fired!

They finally fired me at my job. I am now unemployed. It’s been a stressful 2 weeks. Neil’s Maggie May Engine woes. We went from Plan A to Plan F. Neil is finally on the way! We both have had our share of bad luck these past 2 weeks. My ball joints and pinion flange to personal female health issues to Neil’s maggie may issues to money woes.  But that’s we are persevering! It’s what Jeepers do. We adapt to the road ahead of us.  Tammy’s Final Day Before The Big Trans America Trail Adventure

Interview with:

Matt Feldermann – Marketing Manager at American Expedition Vehicles Inc.

Matt Feldermann is the Marketing Manager at American Expedition Vehicles. He has been with them a little over 7 years but has been in the aftermarket industry for the past 20. Matt likes Philly sports, metal, rotary powered race cars and raccoons. Matt and his wife just had a baby boy back in June named Chase, so his life is pretty much consumed with either work or baby stuff right now. AEV’s website is www.aev-conversions.com

Nicky G:

Introduces us to his imaginary friend Bill.

Jeep Weather:

Hey Jeeper, its Mitch and it’s time for your weekly Jeep Weather Report. That’s where I suggest places to Go Topless this weekend! Since we read left to right here: let’s start in Portland, Oregon it will be cloudy all weekend with a chance of rain. 65 on Friday, 57 on Saturday and 58 on Sunday. Just leave your top over your shoulders for accessibility when it rains.  If you want to check off your yearly polar bear swim early while Jeeping, then you can go topless in the forecasted hottest location in Canada this weekend. Victoria, British Columbia is 54 on Friday, and 53 on Saturday and Sunday. To make it a true polar bear drive, it will be raining off and on all weekend. That is a three for one deal: a polar bear drive, in a Jeep, while topless. Now if nippily days and getting wet isn’t your kind of Topless Jeeping, then I have a place for you! Virginia Beach, Virginia is in the temperate neutral zone for Homo sapiens. 70 on Friday, and 72 for Saturday and Sunday. Mother Nature is providing clouds for your Topless . . . Jeep Instagram pictures, just make sure they are within policy to post or just send them to us directly. If clouds aren’t your thing and no tan lines is important to you, then go Topless in Mesa, Arizona. It will be sunny with 85 for Friday, 89 for Saturday and Sunday. If you have any suggestions or want to know YOUR local weather for the weekend. Just reach out to me at JeepTalkShow.com/contact and send me a message. It’s always great weekend to Go Topless if you’re brave enough! Just Go Topless responsibly.

Wheeling Where:

California Four Wheel Drive Association – Panamint Valley Days
November 8th – 11th
Trona, California
More Info: https://cal4wheel.com/panamint-valley-days

This event is a fundraiser for Cal4Wheel. All funds raised go to support the daily operations of the association, as well as fund our natural resource consultants (John and Jeff), to help with conservation projects and the education of the public in the proper use of our beautiful outdoors and to keep our land open for all to enjoy.

SEMA Show (Specialty Equipment Markets Assoc.)
November 5th – 8th
Las Vegas, Nevada
More Info: https://www.semashow.com/

Links Mentioned in Episode 406: 

American Expedition Vehicles Inc.

Tom Woods Drive Shafts – http://4xshaft.com/
Extreme Terrain – https://www.extremeterrain.com/axial-jeep-wrangler-parts.html
NEXEN Tires – http://nexentireusa.com/

Episode 405 – Hard Top Removal and Storage

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Whether you are upgrading your Jeep’s suspension, swapping axles, changing trannies or modifying your transfer case, one component of your Jeep almost always demands attention—the driveshaft. It’s the critical link in your drive line, and a sensitive one at that. A little off here, a little off there, and if you’re not careful, you could find yourself in big trouble somewhere you can least afford it.  This is why you should put your trust in the biggest name in drive shafts, Tom Woods. Just go to 4XShaft.com find out more, that’s 4XShaft.com

“Do you even lift, Bro? Well, whether you lift or not, chances are, if you are listening right now, you probably drive a Wrangler or know someone who does. When it comes to jacking up your Jeep, there are several things you need to take into consideration depending on your personal usage, budget, and even desired tire size. To help make lifting your Wrangler as easy-peesey as possible, the writers at ExtremeTerrain have compiled their definitive guide to Jeep Wrangler lift kits—AND ITS JACKED!

This Week In Jeep:

Third Quarter Jeep Sales Figures are in! 

To most these sort of reports are pretty dry and useless, but some find this information and interesting so we will occasionally report on how our favorite automaker is doing fiscally speaking. FCA US LLC announced three sales records for the third quarter as a new generation of shoppers snapped up muscle cars and a strategy of premium technology and interior upgrades attracted new heavy-duty truck buyers. Wrangler notched a record quarter as well on the back of new limited-edition models. Muscle cars and full size trucks aside, BOTH of which produced record sales figures for the third quarter of 2019, we’re more interested in how Jeep is doing aren’t we? 

It’s not exactly breaking news that the Wrangler has been a strong seller since its redesign last year, but the nameplate received a boost this quarter from the start of a special-edition campaign. New limited-edition models include, for example, the 2020 Wrangler Black & Tan and the Wrangler Willys. Jeep intends to offer more Wrangler special editions in 2020 aqs well, so if this trend continues, we should see strong sales figures for the second and third quarters of 2020 as well. For the quarter in question however, overall sales were 565,034 vehicles for the three-month period covering July, August and September. Retail sales accounted for 438,649 vehicles while fleet accounted for 22 percent of total sales. Over the last few years fleet sales have accounted for nearly 25% of all sales to date. IMpressive numbers when compared to those from say just 5 years ago. Lower interest rates, a more stable economy and consumer enthusiasm bolster FCA’s belief that new vehicle sales in the U.S. are heading for a strong finish. Speaking of strong, this guy has a strong name just like Mike Manley CEO of FCA…. The Head of U.S. Sales Reid Bigland says:  “For us, vehicles like the new Gladiator, our Ram pickups and Dodge muscle cars are pulling customers into showrooms. Our customers are also choosing to purchase higher trim levels or extra features, which are increasing our transaction prices.” The bottom line? Not only is Jeep selling more vehicles, they’re selling more of the higher trim level models. So, if you have FCA in your investment portfolio, you might be looking pretty good as we move into the next quarter. 

If you own a Jeep Wrangler MOAB edition, it may have just went up in value.

Speaking of Jeeps special editions…. Just this week, a Federal Circuit Court made a ruling that says Jeep can NOT get the ‘Moab’ name Trademarked. The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office upheld a Trademark Trial and Appeal Board decision, where a trademark examiner correctly rejected an application from Fiat’s FCA US LLC unit to register a “Moab” trademark. The reason behind the ruling is because consumers might confuse it with a Jeep customization company called Moab Industries. This is more or less the final nail in the coffin as it were for Jeep to legally use MOAB for any of it’s trim levels in the foreseeable future. This also puts an end to the rumors that Jeep was about to announce the release of a MOAB branded factory authorized suspension package designed for more of a rock crawler build than just a general offroading upgrade that we see with some of the current set ups available. What this means for anyone with a MOAB Trim Wrangler, is that this is now a limited release trim package that we may never see again. And with MOAB utah, still being one of the worlds most sought after offroad destinations, there won’t be a lack of attention or want for this level trim. The MOAB trim package is based on the four-door Jeep Wrangler Sahara, the Wrangler Moab Edition is offered with a smorgasbord of features, some of which it shares with the rugged – and more upscale — Wrangler Rubicon trim. Basically this sits right between the Rubicon and Sahara packages giving Jeep buyers another option. And if you got one, you might want to hold on to it, and make sure to keep the miles low, as this new court ruling just made your Jeep a rare one which should increase its value in the coming years. Time and further developments to this may change things, but we’ll of course keep you up to speed.

Jeep Life with Jeep Momma:

8 Days and Counting

My Jeep is pretty much ready to go. Last episode I shared how I had just got my Jeep back from the shop. I had new Synergy ball joints installed and man was the steering scary. I had to drive up to Rausch Creek last Friday with the sticky steering and the lack of self centering. The manufacturer instructions noted that it would take around 500 miles for the ball joints to seat. The guys at Adams told me on my way back from Rausch it would be fine, which was around 300 miles. They were spot on! So now my steering is back to normal. While at Rausch during the Women’s Wheeling Event I was able to try out my new Nexen tires.They were amazing. I aired down to 20 PSI and they did great. We wheeled 10 blue trails consisting of rocks and mud and some wet terrain.  Maggie May update on the Timing Chain Fiasco. In 1980-81 there was a change in the timing chain. The NAPA computer didn show the change. When this new what we thought was a correct timing change  was install there was an off set in the lower sprocket, just a 100 thousandth of an inch. This caused metal shavings to go thru the motor. Neil and his friend Larry, who by the way is an amazing friend, he has been by Neil’s side the whole time, Larry is another Jeeper, well they dropped the oil pan and cleaned up the metal but it was too late. The metal damaged the bearings bent push rods the main bearings. This all caused oil starvation to the top of the engine. Now Neil is in a crunch and doing a 3 day motor job. Yesterday he spent the day on the road getting two 360 AMC engines. Today was tearing them all down and cleaning up and sorting out the parts. They are able to mix match from all three engines however out of the three not one had a good cam or cam bearings luckily a machinist in the area has some good bearings to pick up in the morning. There just isn’t time to get another cam because of shipping time constraints. So we will deal with what we have. Neil and Larry are confident it will all work as all tolerances are on the good end of good. I’m keeping my fingers crossed. It’s been a very stressful week for us. Neil will need to leave Monday or Tuesday to meet me in Virginia next Saturday!

Wrangler Talk:

First episode with our new host, Bill Gushue

Hello to all my fellow Jeepers and Jeep Friends and welcome to the new Wrangler talk. On today’s Wrangler talk we are going to be covering Gear Ratios, how to choose the correct gear ratio for your jeep, style of driving that you mostly do and why it is important to do lots of planning before you make this major modification. First off Jeep has done a lot of research and development and planning in choosing the correct gear ratio for your jeep from the factory and this plays a huge part in the gear ratio that you want to choose when you finally make that decision to change gears. The biggest reason is as a Jeeper mostly all of us want to put bigger tires on our rigs and when we put those bigger tires on the jeep we are changing a major factor in all that planning that Jeep did for us from the factory. So let’s, start with what a gear ratio is, and that is the numerical value of rotations that the drive shaft has to make to make the tires spin one full rotation. For example, if you have 4.88 gears like I am running on my 2015 wrangler, that means that my drive shaft that is going to my rear differential must spin 4.88 times for my tires to make one full rotation. This leads us to the next most common question people ask me when we are taking about gear ratios and gear sets is how do I tell what gears I have in my jeep. Well the first way is to look on your window sticker you got when you purchased your Jeep, but we may have not bought our jeep new or lost that sticker and looking it up through your vin is very difficult. So, the easiest way to figure out that gears are in your jeep is to have a friend’s help and jack up the rear end of your jeep and place a mark on your tire at noon or 6 and a mark on your drive shaft with some chalk. Then have your friend watch the tire that you marked as you rotate the rear drive shaft and count the amount of rotations that it takes so make one full rotation of the tire. Finally, to the good stuff, how to calculate the new gear size that you are going to need when you put those beefier tires on your jeep. So for this you are going to need to need 3 numbers to calculate your new gear set. These three numbers that you are going to need and that is your original Stock Tire size, the stock gear set that came with your jeep from the factory, and the last number you are going to need is your desired tire size So with these three number you are going to use a very simple equation to calculate the new tire size. For this equation you are going to take you original Factory gear set size and multiple that with your new desired tire size. Then you are going to divide that number by your factory tire size. This is going to give you the new gear set size that you will need to get your jeep back to the factory gear ratio that jeep did when designing your jeep for you. So you might come to a point now that you are trying to find that new desired gear set size and discover that the number that you calculated for your new gear set is between two different gear set sizes when you are looking online And this is where your style and type of driving that you mostly do. So if you are sitting between two different gear set size there are some things to consider. A numerically higher gear set size will need more rotations from the drive shaft to spin your tires and in turn your engine will run a higher RPM and vice versa with a lower gear set size. So this mean that is the numerically higher in the gear set will be causing your engine to have to make more rotations to spin your tires one time so out on the highway you will have to run at higher rpms to achieve the cruising speed you are looking for. Although there is a trade off with a higher gear ratio you will feel more torque and power at the lower end speeds and it will be a bit easier for your drive train to spin those beefier tires you are looking for. And vice versa with a numerically lower gear set size your engine will not have to run at a higher rpm on this highway when at that highway cruising speed but when driving at that speed your jeep might struggle with the amount of power that you will have readily available when trying to pass someone or traveling up a hill. So if you keep these few tips in mind when you are choosing your new upgrades gear set, it will make this decision much easier. And this concludes today’s wrangler tech talk and please if you have any further questions or comments please our contact page at jeeptalkshow.com/contact. Please tune into next week’s tech talk we will be talking about Lockers and the different types of lockers on the market.

Interview with:

Brett Petersen is the Vice President &  co-owner of J-BARR INC. J-BARR INC. Manufactures and sells the J-BARR. The j-Barr is a complete Jeep hardtop removal hoist and storage system. The system works with both wranglers and the new gladiator and is manufactured in the USA. To find out more please visit www.j-Barr.com

Tech Talk With Jeep Talk:

3.6L Pentastar V6 operating temp (about 7 mins) 

Can you direct me to any episodes where u discuss Jeep JK engine temperatures and fan operation? I’m a new JK owner… 2017 Rubicon. I’ve heard stories of the cooling fan on the new JL is really loud… at what temp?  My JK has never been above 228 degrees and my fan is always quiet..Will it get loud and at what temp? I’m not used to an engine running this hot.

Signed – Mike P. 

Many of the newer engine manufacturer’s have designed today’s more modern motors to run a little hotter than the engines of yester-year. This is primarily to help burn off emissions and the other things that come out of gasoline engines that the EPA and eco-nuts have deemed will kill us all. Operating temps about 10 degrees above what we consider “normal” are now the new normal. That being said, normal operating temps in the 220’s under normal driving conditions (nominal engine load, no heavy cargo/towing, not too many giant hill climbs, no wide open throttle accelerations, etc.) is pretty normal for a 2017 JK/JKU with the 3.6L engine. . HOWEVER…. That’s not to say there isn’t room for some “improvement” but I’m using that term loosely here. A cold or “cooler” running engine may not perform as well as a warmed up engine, or one running at a normal operating temp. Acceleration, throttle response, economy, all will be affected if the engine is running below its intended operating range. There are many Wranglers of that generation (more common in the 14-15 model years) that had some issues with the cooling system collecting sediment. This sediment would build up in some of the passages in the radiator and other places along the cooling system and cause issues like leaks, pressure build-ups (think hot spots – as the higher the pressure of the coolant, the higher it’s temperature) and even cooling system performance issues or outright failures. Going back to the pressure issue…. Radiator caps are designed to allow the pressure in the cooling system to build up so that it can pull away more heat. An under pressurized cooling system will not perform as well as one that is under the correct pressure. Many shops will test your cap for free or do it while you get your oil changed (if that is something you have done and not do yourself.) You CAN rent the tool that will test your radiator cap from SOME parts stores, but not all, so call around if this is something you think you can do yourself. If your Wrangler has seen many freeway miles, or a lot of trail miles (or both), there is a chance that the radiator might have some debris buildup. Bugs, dirt, mud, and road tar can all build up across the thin fins that are the heat-sink of the radiator. If these fins and the passages between them get clogged up with bugs, tar, or mud, the cooling system as a whole then cannot move enough air across the radiator for it to do its job properly. Also, in this same spirit of decreased airflow, there can be an issue with aftermarket coolers getting in the way. For instance… lets say an aftermarket oil cooler, transmission cooler, AND a power steering fluid cooler are all placed in front of the radiator. This is going to decrease air flow across the radiator, AND even supply a source of pre-heated air to move from one cooler across the radiator basically simulating a giant hair dryer in front of your jeep robbing the cooling system of cool air for the radiator. Another thing to think of: Thermostats don’t last forever. This is a device that is meant to be swapped out over time and miles. The thermostat is one of the main devices in the cooling system that controls the regulation of the vehicle’s temperature. They can clog up with debris from the system, get sticky over time and not operate as well as they should, or just plain and simply fail. For $20-$40 and an hours worth of work (or less) this may be something to look into, but please don’t take this as advice to start throwing money and parts at a problem before identifying whether or not you even have a problem (and more importantly) what’s causing said problem. So here is my advice moving forward: Do a ridiculously thorough examination of every square inch of your radiator (and the rest of the cooling system too.) You may even want to remove the top of the core support (the metal body/part going across the top of the radiator.) to look for signs of small leaks. Closely scrutinize the areas of the radiator where the body of the radiator meets the tanks (sides) of itself. These seams are the most common spots for leaks to form, but are by no means the only places it can develop a leak. Have the system flushed, or do it yourself, and pay close attention to whether there is any evidence of sediment in the system. If having this done by a shop, be sure to convey this to the techs that are actually going to be doing the work, not just the person behind the desk writing the work order. If there IS evidence of sediment in the cooling system, you will likely want to start looking at replacing the radiator very soon. If you DO decide to do a flush yourself, be sure to refill the system with the RIGHT COOLANT! – I’ve seen it too many times where someone wasn’t paying attention and just went for the pre-mixed green stuff. The 3.6L Pentastar engines requires the orange colored OAT (Organic Acid Technology) formula coolant. This is the stuff meets all the requirements to ensure you aren’t creating jello in your engine or eating away the different plastic and metal components that make up the cooling system. During your overly cautious and super intense examination of your cooling system, pay attention to fittings, the area around the water pump, and even the hoses going to and from the thermostat and heater core. Also keep a nostril or two open for the smell of coolant. If you don’t know what this smells like, pop the radiator cap and have a sniff. But for the love of god, do this with the engine off and cool! If you notice that same smell in the cab of the Jeep, or coming thru the vents at all, this could be a sign of a leak somewhere else in the system, and possibly be the heater core leaking. (the heater core is a small radiator like device embedded in the blower housing that either turns hot or cold and supplies you with hot or cool air as the blower motor moves air across it and into the cab.) Have the radiator cap tested, ensuring that it is allowing the system to come up to the proper pressure. If all else looks good, and this is just something you cannot live with, then you have some options. The easiest is going to be using a tuner, or programmer. These aftermarket devices, can allow the driver to change certain factory settings in the Jeeps operating system. For instance, the JK/JKU Wrangler has a three speed fan for the cooling system. The low speed fan is set to come on somewhere around 215° – 225° or so, and will ramp up from there. The mid/high speed fans come on when the AC is turned on or when the operating temps reach above 229 degrees or thereabouts. To be honest, I cant remember off the top of my head the EXACT coolant temperature threshold parameters for the JK’s/JKU’s, but i know i’m close. That “loudness” that people talk about in the fan is just the difference between the more common low speed fan setting and the occasional high speed setting coming on. If you only occasionally hear the high speed side of things kick on, then it may seem abnormal to the untrained ear and will obviously be “louder” as the fan is spinning at a higher RPM and moving more air. A tuner, or programmer from companies like Diablo may be an option for you. Some chip/programmer/tuner companies don’t offer fan threshold setting adjustments in their software, so you may need to do some research there to get what fits your needs. These programmers can open up a whole new world of performance out of your Jeep so don’t be dissuaded by some of the price tags. With the DiabloSport tuners, you can bring that fan setting down to come on earlier in the temperature range. For instance, you can adjust the threshold for the low speed fan to come on at say 205 degrees, instead of the factory setting which is much higher. This may help keep things cooler, but again, that may or may not be what you need. Also take this into consideration, if you DO have a cooling system issue, and it is not addressed properly, changing a setting is only going to mask the problem and delay it from showing up until things get much much worse. I don’t think I have to explain why this can be bad. 			</div><!-- .entry-content -->
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Episode 404 – Wranglers Under Federal Investigation

Whether you are upgrading your Jeep’s suspension, swapping axles, changing trannies or modifying your transfer case, one component of your Jeep almost always demands attention—the driveshaft. It’s the critical link in your drive line, and a sensitive one at that. A little off here, a little off there, and if you’re not careful, you could find yourself in big trouble somewhere you can least afford it.  This is why you should put your trust in the biggest name in drive shafts, Tom Woods. Just go to 4XShaft.com find out more, that’s 4XShaft.com

This Week In Jeep:

More Spy Shots

Following in the spirit of last week’s news story of spy photos which opened our eyes to the possibility of an even more powerful Grand Cherokee Trackhawk… this week we have some new photos that have the rumor mills all-a-buzz. Autoblog has a pretty skilled crew of photographers at their disposal. And this week, they got numerous shots of a prototype Gladiator. Now last week, if you remember, the buzz was focused on a unique and never before seen hood design, which led us to believe there was something going on under the hood of that Grand Cherokee. THIS week, the spy photos of this Gladiator ALSO focus on the hood. This time however, Jeep has gone to great lengths to hide what’s going on. Allegedly, all week around the testing grounds, were seen camouflaged Gladiators doing test runs with the upcoming diesel option. No not Rambo type camo, but those big chunky and fluffy plastic comforter looking things that the drape all over areas of the vehicles they’re trying to keep away from spying eyes. And it is all around the hood and grille area that these Gladiators have all this camo. Maybe all that black plastic is trying to disguise something around the engine compartment, as well as what appears to be a new bulge in the hood. There’s no opening in that camo, though, so we’re probably not looking at a new Gladiator Shaker-Hood option with a functional ram air intake. (But wouldn’t that be something really cool!?) In any case, this has a LOT of people on the internet thinking that we may see a V8 Gladiator afterall, and the changes to the front clip needed to pass a V8 thru all the safety tests, might be the reason for all that camo. A V8 Gladiator would certainly answer the call for the masses who have been demanding more power from their Jeep truck. Towing, hauling, and overall awesomeness would all improve. FCA certainly has no shortage of V8 engine platforms available to it, and entrepreneurial spirits have never shied away from stuffing V8’s into their Wranglers, so it’s obviously possible. But as we’ve heard FCA’s CEO Mike Manely state too many times, it’s always been about safety standards, and a V8 in a Wrangler or Gladiator, doesn’t leave enough crumple zone for the vehicle to then pass the stringent crash tests needed for a vehicle to move into production. All this could be a moot point and just hopes and dreams taking the reins of the reports, and it’s just Jeep testing out some new hood designs and nothing more. Time will tell.

New Wranglers Under Federal Investigation

The 2018-19 Jeep Wrangler is the subject of a new investigation by the NHTSA. Agency documents detailed the new investigation after its Office of Defects Investigation received 608 various complaints from owners since the new models release. Combined with complaints received by Jeep’s parent automaker, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, the document shows 3,566 owners filed complaints surrounding frame weld concerns that may also allegedly affect steering systems. Weld concerns include “excessive slag” (a coating over welds), “splash” (small pieces of materials literally splashed onto surrounding metal during welding), welds with holes in them and poor weld penetration. The scope of this investigation claims it’s possible these issues may compromise the structural integrity of the Wrangler. As it gathered information from FCA, NHTSA said, the automaker did not fully address if these kinds of problems may pose a structural risk to the Wrangler’s frame. The investigation will, therefore, seek to understand if quality discrepancies may  ((QUOTE)) “pose an unreasonable risk to motor vehicle safety.” Jeep said in a statement this week that it’s providing thief full cooperation with the investigation. It is important to note at this point, that 2020 Jeep Wranglers are NOT part of this investigation. This issue under investigation is also not related to a prior recall Jeep carried out over a separate weld issue. That recall, launched in September 2018, addressed welding issues with the front-track bar. The component connects the front axle to the body and a poor weld could make the Wrangler a difficult thing to control when steering. Said recall only applied to a small portion of early-production Wranglers. During this recall, however, The NHTSA also asked for additional information to address complaints related to steering systems, “wobbling” and unexpected lockups. Combined with questions around how these complaints may affect structural integrity and complaint overlap, the feds want to learn if the alleged faulty frame welds affect steering abilities. Jeep has mentioned in recent press releases that it is working on a mechanical steering fix via an upgraded steering damper to address customer complaints over vibrations that often occur in cold weather. Again, this is unrelated to the prior recall. NHTSA’s document said it has not received any reports of crashes or injuries due to the alleged defects. The investigation also follows news that Jeep engineered a remedy for the well-known “death wobble” problem.

Wrangler Talk:

Back in My Jeep Wrangler

Pinion Seal, Bearing, Spacer, Bearing on the Differential side, actuator, Axle Drive shaft seal. They said the main issue was the pinion nut but they replaced everything under warranty. I asked to do a transfer case service because it’s about that time. They need to grind the bolts back into shape on the transfer case skid plate because they were chewed up. They also noticed my upper and lower ball joints were below recommended spec so we replaced them with synergy ball joints as well as welded on gussets. HOly Cow is doing that putting your life in your own hands if you immediately have to drive 65 on a busy interstate. It was the first time I prayed for rush hour traffic. Danny the tech told me when I left the steering was going to be tight and not pull back like it normally does. It will take 500 hundred miles to be back to normal. In the Synergy directions it says due to the nature of metal on metal ball joints, these ball joints will require a small break in period for the first 500 miles or so for the bearing surface to seat. The steering may feel sticky or lack self centering during this time. HOLY MOLY! I’m surprised I didn’t get pulled over for drunk driving.  Maggie May has had some issues as well. Wrong timing chain…metal in the engine. Replaced a new fuel pump. Now she’s down again.

Interview with:

Andy Lilienthal with Warn Industries

Andy Lilienthal started working at Warn Industries in 2006 and is the company’s Strategic Communications Manager. In his spare time he enjoys working on his 4x4s and even occasionally driving them.

Nicky G:

Learns to be more specific when asking for parts.

Jeep Momma’s Product Review

Route 66 Mods – Powder coated Fasteners
Dress Up your Jeep Kit (or your Ford, Honda, Or Chevy)
Stainless Steel Screws for your Door Hinges, Cowls, A Pillar.

Route 66 Mods is a small family owned and operated business based in Kingman, AZ. We take great pride in what we do. Being the best source for powder coated fasteners, we do what others have failed at. We have developed a process that makes powder coating fasteners work. A multi-step process that we developed over a course of years of trial and error has produced a product that is superior to all competitors products. Our coatings will hold up to all the rigors that a fastener receives, from tightening to daily service and all weather conditions.


Wheeling Where:

4Wheeling 4Help -(presents) JEEP Night!
Oct. 7th
Boardwalk Billy’s – Charlotte, North Carolina
More Info:
Our last event of 2019!!  Jeep Night 4Wheeling 4Help is a monthly event in Charlotte NC, March-October at Boardwalk Billy’s  Matthews. Held on the first Monday of each month So…. Monday October 7th is it for 2019 and we are giving back to Alyssa Magro of Wheelin with CF, who will have her third lung transplant the beginning of October. Alyssa, has had a life of black trails, but this amazing woman continues to triumph through all. Giving back and supporting everyone. Life and challenges have not slowed her down. With her family and the amazing Jeeping Community we support, pull out a tow strap and help!!  Attending this event is that. Giving back doing for others. If you play offroad, You’re invited!! Yes it’s JEEP Night, but if it’s 4wd we want to see you there(even Toyota’s). *you’re listening to the “JEEP Talk Show” so you’re in a Jeep, but is open to anyone!! Family and pet Friendly, Great Food, cold drinks(Tammy likes those)

Amazing Raffle Prizes, 10% food sales, and 100% of money raised goes to Alyssa 

Thanks to @Keffer JEEP and Joe Maus for all of his support, capital Jeep, Southernized Gear, Rhino Lights, Suparee, Tarheel 4wd, 4Wheel Parts, Stacked Offroad, Mictuning, Nilight, State Farm, Carolina Metal Masters, SpiderWebShade, Nashville’ Metal Art, AT&T, and Boardwalk Billy’s 


Tri-County 4 Wheelers Presents – MUD BOG!
October 13th
Lisbon, Ohio
More Info: https://tricounty4wheelers.com/calendar

Links Mentioned in Episode 404: 


Episode 403 – Is the Wrangler Finally Getting a Diesel?

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Whether you are upgrading your Jeep’s suspension, swapping axles, changing trannies or modifying your transfer case, one component of your Jeep almost always demands attention—the driveshaft. It’s the critical link in your drive line, and a sensitive one at that. A little off here, a little off there, and if you’re not careful, you could find yourself in big trouble somewhere you can least afford it.  This is why you should put your trust in the biggest name in drive shafts, Tom Woods. Just go to 4-X-Shaft.com find out more, that’s 4-X-Shaft.com

This Week In Jeep:

Jeep Is Going Diesel 

It is official. For the 2020 model year, the Jeep Wrangler WILL have a diesel option.  Before you do your happy dance however, there are some strings attached.  For starters, it will only be available on the four-door Wrangler models and only with an automatic transmission. Although this may or may not be a deal breaker for some, that’s not to say there won’t be some engine swaps happening in the very near future.  An interesting fact, the new 3 Liter V6 Wrangler motor and eight-speed transmission are the same ones found in the new 2020 RAM 1500 EcoDiesel. The RAM EcoDiesel trucks should hit dealer lots around the same time as the new EcoDiesel Wranglers, which multiple sources have confirmed will be “late this year.” While the Wrangler diesel will offer the same 260 horsepower as the RAM, it will provide far less torque. I know! I know! It’s not fair. If it’s the same engine and transmission, then why would it have less torque? Well, I don’t have those answers yet, but we’ll get to the bottom of it. But before you go storming off in a temper tantrum and end up kicking the dog again, the diminished torque isn’t all that bad. The RAM’s Ecodiesel power train provides 480 pound-feet, while the Wrangler diesel will get you 442 pound-feet. Something tells me, most of us won’t really miss those 38 foot pounds of torque. I mean we have nuts and bolts torqued tighter than that. Despite the loss, that torque will be great for hauling or towing heavy loads, and it will be super useful off road. As far as the horsepower goes, well, it’s not all bad there either. With a reported 260 ponies, which we believe is an underestimate, it falls inline with the 2L i4 and the 3.6L V6 which have 270, and 285 horsepower respectively. With such little separation in power from the three engine categories, I don’t see this being an issue especially when you take into consideration the impressive torque numbers. As far as the actual specs for towing, pricing, and fuel economy, Jeep still hasn’t announced these numbers for the Wrangler EcoDiesel.  But…we should know all of this soon, as it won’t be that long before these diesel Wranglers hit dealer lots. Oh, and don’t forget, Jeep has already promised that the Gladiator will have an Eco-Desiel option next year as well, so be on the lookout for those too.  Jeep is going diesel with the Wrangler and Gladiator, And the Grand Cherokee Trackhawk maybe getting even more horsepower.


Car and Driver this week dropped a bomb on the automotive world with their latest spy shots, and no, it’s not of the Grand Wagoneer. One of their spy photographers snagged a few photos of a Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (prototype) with a massively more aggressive hood scoop.  And I mean bulbusly, and hugely more aggressive. I don’t know about you, but that has me thinking even more power is in store. What else would you need the room for? From these photos at least, it seems that a more powerful version of this already wildly powerful SUV is in the works. The web is full of people clambering for guesses. Everything from a Trackhawk-2, to some guesses calling it the Trackhawk Redeye, meaning it would use the same 797-hp version of the supercharged 6.2-liter Hellcat V-8 that’s in the most powerful versions of the Challenger and Charger Hellcat models.  Compared with the Trackhawk’s current 707-hp version of this engine, this higher-output motor would add 90 horsepower and around another 50 or so lb-ft of torque to the already super-car-like numbers. This is of course all just conjecture. The hood scoop is the only obvious clue that this prototype is packing something other than a stock power plant, so I suppose this could just be experimentation in new body lines or trim packages. But… it’s also possible other improvements are going on that we CANT see.  Jeep may opt to beef up the suspension or brakes slightly to deal with the extra grunt, offering a whole new stance to the Grand Cherokee. And if it does indeed inherit the Redeye name, it’ll get different badging and such to differentiate it from the normal Trackhawk. And dont think that it’s going to be just a matter of choosing option A or option B… you’re going to pay for that power. I think it’s all too reasonable to expect a price bump over the current Trackhawk’s starting price of $88,395. Some are saying as much as a 10 grand bump, meaning the most powerful SUV could set you back almost 6 figures. It has also been speculated that this special model (dare i say special edition) will likely serve as a farewell to the current-generation Grand Cherokee, as the next-generation SUV is scheduled to arrive for the 2021 model year. So until then, we’re just going to have to keep our eyes and ears peeled for more about the upgraded Trackhawk sometime during the next few months.

Wrangler Talk:

Tammy’s Jeep Problems

Jeff from Adrenaline Off Road was helping check my Tom Woods Driveshaft and notice excessive play in my pinion flange. Took it to the dealer as I’m still under warranty. They are looking at my Jeep right now. They found the pinion nut was loose like it was hand tightened. They checked the dif fluid and it’s full and didn’t find any metal. They are going to go in and look at everything to make sure there are no issues with the pinion oI should know more tomorrow. While they have my Jeep they were looking it all over. They noticed the upper and lower ball joints were past the alloted specifications. I decided to upgrade with Synergy ball joints and gussets. Only $30 more. I am also getting the transfer case fluid changed. They said the bolts are smashed up. YIKES! They also notice the passenger upper control arm was loose. Hopefully I will get my Jeep back by Tuesday.

Rear Axle Pinion Nut

Interview with:

Casey – All J Big Bear Lake California

YJ builder for Don Alexander’s new book. Casey was born and raised in SO Cal and is a welder fabricator at All J products. All J specializes in jeep maintenance, repairs, and modifications. Currently Casey is working on a YJ that will be featured in a soon to be released book as well as featured at Nexen tires booths at offroad expo and sema.

Just the Tip:

Quick Tip – Distribution

With all the aftermarket electrical devices now available for older Jeeps like electric fans, EFI, electric fuel pumps and ignition systems, there is a need for multiple battery and switched power distribution points. Most of the aftermarket wiring companies sell fancy fuse blocks and distribution centers that make the engine bay of your old Jeep look like a JPL test lab. Distribution blocks have been around for decades, and plain and simply get the job done with no bells or whistles. Some manufacturers have taken these tried and true, proven pieces of underhood gadgetry and slapped a giant price tag on them. So when you need two or three points of distribution, and at $25 to $40 each for a logo and a name brand, it can get spendy quick. If you’ve listened to the show for any length of time, you know I’m all about the inexpensive. So if you take a walk through the junkyard you just might find these elegant little two-pin power blocks on any and all late ’80s and early ’90s S-10, S-15 Blazer and Jimmy trucks and SUVs. Pull a few of these off, clean them up and be sure to keep the hardware, and the metal blade that ties the two studs together. These things are easy to locate and you can get ’em for less than $1 apiece.

Power distribution for older Jeeps. 

Must Have Stuff for your Jeep:

Monkey Fingers Adjustable Bungee Cords 2PK -$19.99

Monkey Fingers bungee cords are fully adjustable so that you’ll never have to worry about having the wrong size bungee again. Made in California of marine-grade cord, Monkey Fingers come with a lifetime warranty. For use on your ATV, Jeep, truck, utility trailer and more, these bungees use no metal, which means no scratches, cuts or injured eyes.Monkey Fingers bungee cords adjust from 6 to 39 inches in length and stretch to a maximum of 60 inches. 

Monkey Fist Adjustable Bungee Cords

Nicky G:

osh Jinxes Nicky G with Electrical Gremlins – and butter. 

Wheeling Where

Windrock Park Fall Jam

October 17-19

Oliver Springs, Tennessee

More Info: https://windrockpark.com/

Guided Rides, Obstacle Course, Poker Run, Drag Races, Mud Bog, 

Huge raffle, grand prize:Yamaha Wolverine X2


Who/What: Badlands Off-Road Adventures – Death Valley Expedition

When: October 18

Where: Ridgecrest, California

More Info: This is a 4 day trip covering the north and west end of Death Valley, Saline Valley and Eureka Valley. https://www.4x4training.com/w/product-category/recreational-clinics/adventures-and-events/death-valley-expedition/

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